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		<title>By: Annik</title>
		<link>http://themusicblogs.com.au/2008/other/say-what-you-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Annik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter,

Never fear! I wasn&#039;t condemning the entire technique of rhyme - I was merely criticising artists who insist on employing a technique they lack the smarts to execute well. The Beatles and Led Zep were masterminds who wrote good lyrics - but I wasn&#039;t talking about good lyrics here (which is why I never referred to any of those artists.) My post was about bad lyrics, and why, in my humble opinion, they sometimes suck. If you can rhyme well like Lennon, it&#039;s brilliant. If you can&#039;t (like Lavigne), it&#039;s awful.

I disagree that lyrics are poetry. (Or that they &quot;should be poetry&quot; - says who?) Sure, they have loads of similarities, but they&#039;re definitely not the same thing. One is sung, the other spoken. Poems exist on their own, while lyrics are delivered through music. In addition, poems convey written meaning through a lot more than the words themselves (eg punctuation, the very layout on the page.) Secondary meaning for lyrics comes with the melody and vocal delivery.
I really don&#039;t think it&#039;s relevant to bring up Shakespeare or Homer as my discussion concerned contemporary musical artists. [But while we&#039;re on the subject, I think that there is also a common misconception that poetry should rhyme. Yes, it can rhyme and be amazing, but it&#039;s not required.]

I love a good rhyme, but a bad one makes me cringe. I was referring to the latter in my post. It&#039;s meant to be funny. Let&#039;s also remember the context here - I was writing a post about music, to be posted on The Music Blogs. If I wanted to talk about poetry, I&#039;d do it on my personal blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter,</p>
<p>Never fear! I wasn&#8217;t condemning the entire technique of rhyme &#8211; I was merely criticising artists who insist on employing a technique they lack the smarts to execute well. The Beatles and Led Zep were masterminds who wrote good lyrics &#8211; but I wasn&#8217;t talking about good lyrics here (which is why I never referred to any of those artists.) My post was about bad lyrics, and why, in my humble opinion, they sometimes suck. If you can rhyme well like Lennon, it&#8217;s brilliant. If you can&#8217;t (like Lavigne), it&#8217;s awful.</p>
<p>I disagree that lyrics are poetry. (Or that they &#8220;should be poetry&#8221; &#8211; says who?) Sure, they have loads of similarities, but they&#8217;re definitely not the same thing. One is sung, the other spoken. Poems exist on their own, while lyrics are delivered through music. In addition, poems convey written meaning through a lot more than the words themselves (eg punctuation, the very layout on the page.) Secondary meaning for lyrics comes with the melody and vocal delivery.<br />
I really don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s relevant to bring up Shakespeare or Homer as my discussion concerned contemporary musical artists. [But while we're on the subject, I think that there is also a common misconception that poetry should rhyme. Yes, it can rhyme and be amazing, but it's not required.]</p>
<p>I love a good rhyme, but a bad one makes me cringe. I was referring to the latter in my post. It&#8217;s meant to be funny. Let&#8217;s also remember the context here &#8211; I was writing a post about music, to be posted on The Music Blogs. If I wanted to talk about poetry, I&#8217;d do it on my personal blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://themusicblogs.com.au/2008/other/say-what-you-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what you have to say about rhyme is, frankly, really quite silly. I don&#039;t know what you would consider musical gospel, but if you&#039;re talking about Imagine, or Let It Be, Subterrean Homesick Blues, Bohemian Rhapsody, Stairway to Heaven or just about any other classic you can name, they&#039;ve all had rhyme as their backbone. I wouldn&#039;t say the lyrical abilities of Msrs Dylan, Lennon et al were &quot;limited&quot;...

When it comes down to it, lyrics are (or should be) poetry. Rhyme is a poetic technique, a perfectly legitimate one. If you don&#039;t like this technique, or think that it is the stuff of Play School, there&#039;s probably several thousand university English lecturers who would be keen to discuss it in regards to the works of Wordsworth, Shakespeare, Homer, Burns, Keats etc. Lyrics are poetry, and I would encourage you (or anyone interested in lyrics) to read up about poetry, it really gives you a better understanding of what comes through your speakers.

You&#039;re totally right about the insipidity of lyrics in modern music (as in the example of Lavigne), but its outlandish (and comes across as blatantly elitist) to dismiss the entire technique of rhyme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what you have to say about rhyme is, frankly, really quite silly. I don&#8217;t know what you would consider musical gospel, but if you&#8217;re talking about Imagine, or Let It Be, Subterrean Homesick Blues, Bohemian Rhapsody, Stairway to Heaven or just about any other classic you can name, they&#8217;ve all had rhyme as their backbone. I wouldn&#8217;t say the lyrical abilities of Msrs Dylan, Lennon et al were &#8220;limited&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>When it comes down to it, lyrics are (or should be) poetry. Rhyme is a poetic technique, a perfectly legitimate one. If you don&#8217;t like this technique, or think that it is the stuff of Play School, there&#8217;s probably several thousand university English lecturers who would be keen to discuss it in regards to the works of Wordsworth, Shakespeare, Homer, Burns, Keats etc. Lyrics are poetry, and I would encourage you (or anyone interested in lyrics) to read up about poetry, it really gives you a better understanding of what comes through your speakers.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re totally right about the insipidity of lyrics in modern music (as in the example of Lavigne), but its outlandish (and comes across as blatantly elitist) to dismiss the entire technique of rhyme.</p>
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		<title>By: A Digital Perspective &#187; The Music Blogs: My first online community creation</title>
		<link>http://themusicblogs.com.au/2008/other/say-what-you-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>A Digital Perspective &#187; The Music Blogs: My first online community creation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Annik</title>
		<link>http://themusicblogs.com.au/2008/other/say-what-you-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Annik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen - Johns just went to a totally different place for NB, lyrically. The homophones struck me the most (idol/idle, excess/access, etc) along with how figurative he became. It&#039;s a beautiful album! Mind you, he was off chops on Aropax and suffering intense agoraphobia, anorexia, paranoia and anxiety while he wrote the album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen &#8211; Johns just went to a totally different place for NB, lyrically. The homophones struck me the most (idol/idle, excess/access, etc) along with how figurative he became. It&#8217;s a beautiful album! Mind you, he was off chops on Aropax and suffering intense agoraphobia, anorexia, paranoia and anxiety while he wrote the album.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://themusicblogs.com.au/2008/other/say-what-you-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you mentioned Neon Ballroom... i still remember the first day i heard it... the lyrics fascinated me so much that i had to sit there with the CD cover and read every word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned Neon Ballroom&#8230; i still remember the first day i heard it&#8230; the lyrics fascinated me so much that i had to sit there with the CD cover and read every word.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://themusicblogs.com.au/2008/other/say-what-you-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You totally hit the nail right on the head! Good work Neek, you really are the sheezy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You totally hit the nail right on the head! Good work Neek, you really are the sheezy!</p>
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		<title>By: niki</title>
		<link>http://themusicblogs.com.au/2008/other/say-what-you-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>niki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it!  ;)</p>
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